After son’s heroin overdose and oxycodone prescription, parents search for answers
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article109589897.html
Someone who has been “fighting opiate addiction” for TWENTY YEARS… the most dangerous time for a recovering addict is after being in rehab… when their tolerance has been reduced.. and they are discharged… back into the environment from where they came from and where they were an opiate abuser… They fall off the wagon and go back to using the amount that they had used previously and typically OD. This is an excellent place for the use of the 28 day Vivitrol therapy.. Which would limit or prohibit a person from getting high or ODing from reverting back to abusing… Recidivism after going thru a rehab program is quite high. Who believes that “Chip” would not have found something to abuse.. even if the prescriber had not written him some prescriptions ?
After Gray and Susan Kimel’s son, Douglas “Chip” Kimel III, died from an accidental heroin overdose, they went after answers. The Kimels went up against the state pharmacy and medical boards trying to learn why their son’s doctor had prescribed more than the recommended dosage of oxycodone and why Chip’s pharmacist continued filling the prescriptions.
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jmo,,its a desease of FREE WILL,,,,,, AND NIETHER SIDE IS BEING TREATED HUMANELY,,50 % OF DOCTORS have dropped their chronic physical pain patients in fear of the dea,,soo 50 % of chronically physically ill humanbeings w/medically painful conditions are being forced to endure physical pain,,,soo some addict can be counted i their corrupted data,soo some guy ,a shrink,,named Klondyn can fill up his addiction centers,charge our insurance companies 60,000,,,to fill HIS POCKETS.,,,So some actual chronic pain humanbeing can forcible lie in a hospital bed in agony from physical pain,,,forced to endure their physical pain,,whilst some shrink documents ,”severe withdrawal,” on their medical record,,adding to the lieful propaganda,,while the reality is,,they are tortureing this poor soul,who is truly in physical pain…,THATS ACCEPTABLE,,NOW A DAYS!!! and its wrong!!!!!!They should of left the whole thing alone,,starting back in 2000,,,,,,,their is a reason why our government has no business in our private medical decisions,,,,for their not doctors and torture and genocide is inhumane,cruel,and just plan evil,,,,,,and make no mistake about it,,that is exactly what has happen’d to 50 % of chronic physical pain humanbeings w/painful medical conditions,,ie,,torture and genocide,,,,,why is that ok???mary
Yes addiction is a disease obviously more acceptable than those that cause chronic pain. Everyone is supposed to bend over backwards and spend millions of our tax dollars to save while those in severe ceaseless pain can suffer and rot! Even an addict will tell you most of the time they don’t want help to recover because they prefer to be high. You can’t fix someone who doesn’t want fixing. Save their lives from an OD and they will immediately go looking for their next high. Something is wrong with this picture!
Adiction is disease. A addict brain works different and it is possible for some to become addicted the very first time they use the drug. Most people who are at a party trying or drug or a drink the first time do not sit there thinkin this will make me a addict . There was a bunch of people who were angry when they saw a picture of a poster in the ER questioning if a parent should111111q gave their teenage kid a opiate for a broken arm that could lead to addiction . Well it could and sometimes there is no family history of addicts to help determine it could be more possible then someone else. It is very hard to understand addiction with it denial that the addict may not see they even have a problem while there world fall away. It is just like it is hard for many to understand about our chronic pain that is not understood or seen. We want sympathy but at the sametime we scorn someone who is addict because it is all there fault. Addicts do not become addicts after they have started to take more meds them prescribed or when they my get more then one doctor to prescibe to tbem they became one when they took the first few doses and enjoyed the feeling most of use do not experience.Most kids will try a drug and can give or take it a addict though quickly feels like to have to have it. If you think it is easy to quit then why would a addict lose everything for that next fix. Blaiming will not fix the problem but people looking at it as a mental illnes’s instead of choice or moral issue is a start.
omg,,I could not DISAGREE w/u more,,and when I have more time tonight I will explain why,,,To Miss Connie,,,ditto,,,as u know,,,we have to get our work done,,whilst my MEDICINE,,not a drug,,but MEDICINE is lessening my physical pain from medical illness,,soo whilst it is lessening my physical pain,,i function,,which is about 2.5 hours after I take my MEDICINE,,soo,,,I will gladly email u tonight Miss Connie,,
A quick explanation as to why I totally disagree w/someone assestment of addiction,,1st if u r over thee age of 18,,u r by law a adult,thus responsible for your own decisions,,,Furthermore our opiate MEDICINES have literally been on the face of this earth for over 10000 years,,sooo according to this disease theory,,every single person who was given a medicine to lessen physical pain,,and their physical pain stopped/lessen after their medical injury had healed,thus stopped their medicine,,do not have this mental desease????That is about 1 million people then??But to cut to the chase,,heres a thought,,,Since it is physically impossible for u/me or anyone to physically feel the physical pain from medical illnesss of another humanbeing,,,NO-ONE,,,NO-ONE,,,HAS THE INHUMANE,UN-ETHICAL RITE TO FORCE another humanbeing to suffer in physical pain,,when their are medicines that will lessen that physical pain,,,,your ,”addiction theory,” is forcing other humanbeings w/physical pain from medical illness to suffer in physical pain,,,when it is a fact,,u cannot ever physically feel the physical pain of another,,,pleaz tell me why u think u have that rite,,to force me to suffer in physical pain from medical illness???How bout this,,recognize truth,,and fact,,,the NO-ONE has a rite to forced someone to suffer in physical pain,,no-one does,,,thus,,,there are some things on gods green earth that humanbeings DO NOT HAVE THE RITE TO DECIDE,,AS ADULTS,like forcing people to suffer in physical pain from medical illness,in a so-called free society,,we as adults make our own decision as to take a medicine or not to take it,,,as adults the freedom of choice for medical treatment remain a private personal decision between me and my doctors,,not some poltician,some layman,and certainly not some parent of a adult child who choose to abuse their medicine and NOT FOLLOW DOCTORS ORDERS!!,,but please enlighten me as to why some people think they have this rite to make adults w/medical illness that is physically painful ,,force them to suffer in physical pain because of their PERSONAL idealogy about addiction???maryw
Mary, I lost my 7 year old son to sudden cardiac arrest ( he had myotonic muscular dystrophy) and my initial reaction was to blame the cardiologist who didn’t do everything he could have IMHO since he didn’t see my son’s quality of life. What good would it have done? It wouldn’t bring my child back. I think maybe you hit it when you say it’s guilt. As the parent of an addict I have to remind myself that her addiction is not my fault, she had a stable loving home and SHE made those choices not me. I live in fear of getting THAT phone call, but when I do it will be no ones fault but her own!
I lost your email,could you email me eskimobirdlady@yahoo.com
I am very sorry for your families losses,,,seriously,,I lost my brother to cancer,,it sucks,,no-matter how they die,,,their gone,,u will never see them again in this life,,,,but,,,why do people think that way??I’ll sue the cops,,ill sue the doctors,,ill sue the pharmacist,,anyone,,,for his death,,,,why?????is it revenge???or is it their own inner demons of guilt,,thus they think by blaming someone else,,,their filling/justifying in their heads they did nothing wrong,,,its someone elses fault???mary
Maryw, Very few of the people who make poor decisions are held responsible for their actions these days. It’s always someone else’s fault. My nephew was killed in a high speed chase while eluding the police. He was drunk and high. Some of the family actually want to sue the police! Sadly he made bad decisions about most of his life. Had he not been killed he would be in prison for his choices. I need someone to explain to me how the police were in the wrong. Some people here may think my previous comment to be cold but I know how addicts are. Sadly we have several in the family including my own daughter. They make the poor choices that lead to addiction and need to be held responsible!
Amen to both commenters,,,I can’t open the newspaper,,but am I to assume,,,,its NOT child at all,,but a adult who choose to misuse our medicine again??and the parents are seeking REVENGE,,,FOR THEIR ADULT SONS POOR CHOICE??? not greif,,but REVENGE,,,again,,u know what happen’d too,,u hit thee age of 18,,your choices,,your decision,,not mommy or daddy’s,,,if u r old enough to die for this country,,then your old enough to make your own decision,,,it these higher up condescending rich elite parents who seek this REVENGE for their adult offsprings decisions to abuse our MEDICINE,, back in my day,,the parent would blame their adult son/daughter,,for their poor decision to abuse MEDICINE,, they would grieve for the loss of their adult child,,but not go around w/revenge in their hearts and sue every tom /dick and harry,,for their adult sons poor decisions,,Stop using a death as your justification for your REVENGE,, why can’t they just greive for their ADULT sons death,,and put the blame squarely where it belongs,,,THEIR ADULT SON!!!!!!??????,,,maryw
I am sorry for this families loss,but we should all keep these issues in perspective.The vast majority of pain patients under medical supervision with opioid medicine,use the substance responsibly,and though many become medically dependent in order to function,that is not the same as addiction in the true sense of the word.
Just as there are those prone to alcoholism,and after that first drink or two go on alcoholism,so with other substances,including opioids.The United Nations office on drug control,has stated,” Only 10 percent of drug users have a problem with their substance.Some 90 percent of people who use a drug,the majority,are not harmed by it.” The former director of drug control policy,William Bennett,has also stated;”Non-addicted users still comprise the vast bulk of our drug involved population.” Friends,those are statistics,not hysteria and Prohibitionist exaggerations.
Again I use alcohol as an example.Most who drink,do so responsibly,and we do not go into fits of hysteria because of they who abuse Americas favorite substance,alcohol.Why the bias and political wrangling concerning opioids? The percentage of those who go on to heroin addictions,is not the widespread out of control so called crises the media makes it out to be.I do not mean to diminish the suffering that drug abuse and addictions cause families.I only say,let’s keep it in perspective and not wage a war against pain patients,or pick one substance to be the new crises.
I am sorry for your loss but why should the poor choices of a few take away the lifeline of thousands who suffer terribly from chronic debilitating? Our families watch us suffer for years and all to often when left with nothing but horrendous pain we die. It’s not our choice to be in pain but it is by choice that people abuse drugs!