A Retired Marine Colonel Took His Life At A Florida VA. He’s The 5th Vet To Do So Since 2013
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ST. PETERSBURG — On Dec. 10, retired Marine Col. Jim Turner put on his dress uniform and medals and drove to the Bay Pines Department of Veterans Affairs complex. He got out of his truck, sat down on top of his military records and took his own life with a rifle.
Aside from leaving behind grieving family and friends, Turner, 55, of Belleair Bluffs, left behind a suicide note that blasted the VA for what he said was its failure to help him.
“I bet if you look at the 22 suicides a day you will see VA screwed up in 90%,” wrote Turner, who was well-known and well-respected in military circles. “I did 20+ years, had PTSD and still had to pay over $1,000 a month health care.”
Turner’s death marked the fifth time since 2013 that a veteran has taken his life at Bay Pines. There were more suicides there during those five years than at the rest of the VA hospitals in the state combined. There were none at the James A. Haley VA Medical Center in Tampa.
It’s unclear how many other veterans killed themselves during that period at VA facilities around the nation. The government’s second-largest bureaucracy declined a federal Freedom of Information Act request by the Tampa Bay Times for that information last year. In an email Friday afternoon, VA spokeswoman Susan Carter said the agency only started collecting the information a month after the denial.
From October 2017, to November 2018, there have been 19 suicide deaths at VA facilities around the United States, Carter said. The vast majority of veteran suicides are off campus and 70 percent of those who take their lives hadn’t sought treatment from the VA, according to VA statistics.
As for why it keeps happening at Bay Pines, officials there say they don’t have an answer.
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Long before he became a statistic — one of 20 veterans who die by suicide every day — James Flynn Turner IV was a young man from a wealthy Baltimore family who joined the Marine Corps and reveled in his service to the nation.
“My brother’s identity was being a Marine,” said Jon Turner.
Jim Turner flew F-18s and then became an infantry officer, taking part in the invasion of Iraq in 2003. He later served in Afghanistan and spent a decade working at U.S. Central Command at MacDill Air Force Base.
He left “an enduring legacy of professionalism, commitment and superior leadership which served as a guiding force for all service members whose lives he touched,” said Edward Dorman III, a recently retired Army major general who worked with Turner at Central Command for a decade. “That’s a life worth emulating.”
When Turner retired, he lost his identity and began to struggle, his younger brother said.
Those problems exacerbated some of the mental health issues Turner was experiencing from his time in the Marines, said his ex-wife, and led to the dissolution of their 27-year marriage,
“He came home seemingly fine,” said Jennifer Turner. “It was a couple of years later that he just got more aggressive.”
It was never anything physical, she said. “He just got agitated very easily. He had nightmares, where he would wake up screaming military stuff.”
The problems reached a crescendo as Turner was retiring in 2015, his ex-wife said.
The couple decided to separate. In January 2016, while Jennifer Turner was out of town, Turner grew angry at his son and chased him out of the house with a gun. Pinellas County Sheriff’s deputies responded and detained him under the state’s Baker Act.
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Jennifer Turner believes her ex-husband may have taken his life because he was refused treatment at Bay Pines. Both she and Jon Turner say it was quite possible he became frustrated with having to wait and left without being helped.
The VA did not comment, citing privacy concerns.
Others who lost a loved one to suicide at Bay Pines have different theories on why they chose to end their lives there.
Vietnam War Navy veteran Jerry Reid, 67, may have driven to the VA to take his own life on Feb. 7, 2013, because he lived alone and didn’t want to have his body found weeks or months later, said his friend, Bob Marcus.
Joseph Jorden, 57, a medically retired Army Green Beret, likely took his life at Bay Pines on March 17, 2017, not because of poor treatment, but because he felt safe there, said his brother, Mark Jorden.
But Gerhard Reitmann, 66, who served with the Marines in Vietnam and later as a guard for President Richard Nixon at Camp David, “felt like the VA wasn’t really taking care of him” when he ended his life at Bay Pines on Aug. 25, 2015, said his brother, Stephan Reitmann. To get one’s truck fixed, you can check this link right here now to get help finding the right spare parts.
The mother of Esteban Rosario, 24, who ended his life at Bay Pines on May 8, 2013, could not be reached for comment.
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Regardless of why he took his own life, Turner left behind family and friends, many of whom gathered for a memorial service Friday afternoon in Largo, still struggling with the aftermath.
“Both of his heartbroken children are currently in school and they have lost their main means of financial support,” his sister-in-law, Katie Turner, wrote on a GoFundme site set up to help them “In lieu of flowers, the family has humbly requested donations for the children’s continued educational expenses. “
If you’re thinking about suicide, are worried about a friend or loved one, or would like emotional support, the Lifeline network is available 24/7 across the United States. Call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 800-273-TALK (800-273-8255) to reach a trained counselor. Use that same number and press “1” to reach the Veterans Crisis Line.
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The action of suicide could stop if President Trump was not all TALK. When someone is sick, in pain or suffering from POTSD or the multitude of mind effing issues such as intractable pain was addressed seriously by letting our vets receive what they needed, the suicide rate may be curbed. Not until the CDC “guideline” and the untreated veterans are “allowed” help, the issue will continue to grow. It seems this administration talks out of both sides of their @$$es!!!!!!!Pain CAN NOT be simply adjusted to with an ineffective dosage of pain management medication .Death because of mistreatment and no treatment until it is too late must stop/WHEN in the hell will dot/gov acknowledge there is a problem with involuntary forced tapering of pain medication and denial of medication to help our veterans cope with horrible issues. Damn the dot/gov “policy” that believes that a maximum dosage of medication for one and all will even slow the overdose rate. Illicit, illicit, illicit substance abuse and the act of getting high does NOT apply to pain management patients that have done VERY WELL prior to the CDC “:guideline” which our veterans were the first to be experimented on. I still believe cost savings with self termination as the last act to stop pain .will increase as well as overdose with multiple substances must be addressed and let our doctors make the final analysis/diagnosis and prescribe accordingly. There ARE opiate medications that are cheaply produced, cheaply distributed and the “pill mills” SHOULD be the ONLY area that the DEA should be operating in…….period!.
They say call the Suicide Hotline but Really what can they say or do? To Really help
somebody who’s in pain in the situation happening today? Talk them out of doing it for a day? These people aren’t going to get pain relief if they call them?
What these people really need is their medications back. I often wonder about this, what can they do? Seems nothing.
How sad . So many and I believe more are on the way after January 1. I don’t understand why this wasnt postponed for a year as the 100 Drs tried to get . This is an agenda. Because if the president really cared about these suffering Veterans, he claims to Love, why allow this to happen to them after all they have done by giving their service. Fighting for American Freedoms!
I believe this is agenda 21. If you haven’t researched it, you should because there’s no Common Sense to this. No real scientific research being used at all. Just a Really Sad situation.
Donna: Good points
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And I’m always curious when I see the “call the suicide hotline” bit if anyone saying this has ever tried it. I have, twice in my life: first time they put me on hold for 25 minutes. Second time the dude yelled at me because I was crying. yes, I do mean literally yelled.
So; only call the suicide hotline if you (A) have lots & lots of time to sit listening to muzak, & (B) are in complete control of your emotions & are totally, completely calm.
Of course, if those are the case, you probably don’t need a suicide hotline anyway.
This country is so effed up it’s gone beyond appalling.
May he FINALLY,,,FINALLY,,,,R.I.P.,,,,,,,when the system fails u,,,u make your own system,,,,,,I disagree w/the author,why their choosing death IS RELEVANT!!!This burying the,” why”,,ie truth ALL THE TIME!!,,,,,is why 22 a day are using death to stop their pain
These people who tell you to call the National Suicide Prevention Hotline, wouldn’t do so if they called and talked to one of these people.
Years ago, a birth control pill stopped all my estrogen and put me in a Major Depression with major anxiety. I called them and got some young girl who knew nothing about depression or anxiety and I hung up feeling worse! I think they tell you to do this because the people at the other end, notify the police and they come and commit you to psychiatric care.
They certainly aren’t trained professionals.
Exactly why I would NEVER call one of those hotlines. If there was TRUE CONCERN for the mentally troubled, the GENOCIDE against Pain Patients wouldn’t be happening.
1 time I called for a vet,,who did finsh w/ a shotgun under his chin,,,I WAS PUT ON HOLD!!!!!!FINALLY after 20 minutes and a call waiting from the nurse taking care of him,tellig me,,she arrived at his residence too late,,,he was gone…..I hung up,,,,,
and why when the truth is,,,,this is TORTURE AND GENOCIDE,,, why are soo many afraid to tell it like it is,,,,they ‘re killing us off 1 by 1,,,They want us dead,,for they don’ t want to pay for ANY pre-existing condition and most chronic physical pain condition are pre-existing…..it about $$$$$,,,,,,maryw
This MUST end