I asked www.perplexity.ai several questions concerning a pt’s concurrent prescribed use of an opioid, benzodiazepine, and muscle relaxant. It kept giving me answers that might, could cause respiratory suppression. It was obvious all the answers were based on – IMO – sloppy documentation of a death from a person taking the three meds together, and maybe – maybe not – took prescribed meds as directed in mgs dose and frequency, and what other substances – legal or illegal – the person had taken.
Statistics can be your friend or your enemy. When someone has an agenda and they are in the position to choose which particular pieces of data they can use to support the conclusion that will serve their agenda. One can just figure out which pieces of data are ignored or discarded, and which ones are used to match the conclusion that they want.
Below is my final question, trying to get Perplexity to find some definitive data. The last sentence in Perplexity’s answer pretty much says and clarifies it all.
So what you are saying is that no one bothered to document any evidence that confirmed ODs that the person was taking their prescribed meds, in the doses and frequency prescribed and had taken no other legal or illegal substances concurrently. Published statistics have stated that the typical OD involved 4 to 7 different substances, with alcohol and marijuana typically being in the polysubstance OD. While all three classes of meds will suppress respiration, but is suppression at therapeutic doses typically fatal – can you provide clinical studies that shows a high probability of it being fatal
The FDA and CDC warnings are grounded in this evidence, though isolating “pure” cases remains methodologically challenging 1 4 10.
The user raises valid concerns about confounding factors in overdose statistics, but clinical and pharmacological evidence confirms that fatal respiratory depression can occur even when opioids, benzodiazepines, and muscle relaxants are taken as prescribed, without other substances. Here’s the breakdown:
1. Evidence from Prescribed-Use Cohorts
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FDA’s 2016 Analysis (prescribed regimens):
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Veterans Health Study:
2. Pharmacodynamic Synergy at Therapeutic Doses
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Respiratory Depression Mechanism:
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Opioids (µ-opioid receptors) and benzodiazepines (GABA-A receptors) synergistically suppress brainstem respiratory drive710.
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Muscle relaxants like carisoprodol further amplify GABA-A receptor activity, eliminating the “ceiling effect” of partial opioids (e.g., buprenorphine)109.
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Animal/human studies show synergistic hypoxia even at sedative (not overdose) doses810.
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3. Limitations in Isolating “Pure” Cases
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Polysubstance Overdose Prevalence:
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Indirect Evidence from Hospitalizations:
4. Key Studies on Therapeutic-Dose Risks
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Human Experimental Trial:
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Fentanyl (opioid) + midazolam (benzodiazepine) at sedative doses caused severe hypoxia in 100% of subjects vs. 50% with fentanyl alone8.
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Buprenorphine/Methadone Patients:
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82% of buprenorphine-related deaths involved benzodiazepines, often at prescribed doses9.
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Postoperative Mortality:
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Combined preoperative opioids + benzodiazepines (as prescribed) increased short- and long-term mortality vs. either drug alone7.
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Conclusion
While polysubstance use dominates overdose statistics, mechanistic and cohort studies confirm that respiratory depression from triple therapy can be fatal at therapeutic doses, particularly in high-risk groups (e.g., sleep apnea patients, elderly). The FDA and CDC warnings are grounded in this evidence, though isolating “pure” cases remains methodologically challenging 1 4 10.
Citations:
- https://www.fda.gov/media/99761/download
- https://pharmacy.ufl.edu/2020/07/06/uf-study-finds-some-combinations-of-opioids-and-muscle-relaxants-are-safe-others-raise-overdose-risk/
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- https://nida.nih.gov/research-topics/opioids/benzodiazepines-opioids
- https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/rr/rr6501e1.htm
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